What
if? [This
article can be freely copied or quoted with reference:- Brian
Cave]
It is not too early to plan and think
In Parliament a private member’s Bill to empower a
Referendum could soon be entering “The
Committee Stage” of debate. This may be
before August or in the Autumn. MPs will consider the bill paragraph by
paragraph.
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Will the interests of the 1.4 million Britons in
mainland Europe be considered? Not unless a fuss is generated!
… It is quite unacceptable and undemocratic that a decision to pull out of the
EU could be even envisaged without listening to those most intimately affected
[See at the end what you can do!.]
IF BRITAIN WITHDRAWS from the EU the lives of many of the 1.4 million Britons
residing in Europe beyond the shores of Britain,
could become uncomfortable -unless some sort of bargaining occurs.
Do you feel safe?
Do you feel safe?
- You will no longer be a European Citizen. Does that matter?
- You will no longer have an automatic right to reside anywhere in the EU/EEA.
- The principal of four freedoms of movement within the EU would not apply -- of people, goods, financial services and capital
· You would not necessarily be able to buy goods from Britain without some form of import tax or other control being
imposed.
· You might not be able to transmit money easily. Exchange
controls could be re- introduced.
· Restrictions on your own residence might arise – see
below.
· You would not be protected by EU law.
HISTORY! This writer is
over eighty. Memory extends to before 1973, before the UK
joined the EU. THEN one could not take more than a very small
quantity of sterling abroad to
Continental and other countries. The sum had to be entered in the back of
one’s passport by the bank issuing the foreign currency. It was Margaret Thatcher who did away with
this requirement (1979).
The Treasury UK and
the expatriate pensioner.
Understand that the Euro and the Pound are separate economic
communities. That means the movement of
£s to €s is a transference of financial blood from one to the other. Payment of
pensions (or Winter Fuel payments!) is a ‘letting of blood’ from the economy of
Britain. One
can see why The Treasury does not like it.
Note:- They freeze British Pensions in many parts of the world.
UNCOMFORTABLE THOUGHT!
·
If Britain left the EU. Would pensions be frozen? The WFP would
certainly cease. Other benefits would stop.
Back in 1973, there were very few British pensioners in the EU. Now there are over 450,000. [see Reference 2 at end]
The expenditure on their pensions is considerable! About £3 thousand million pounds - i.e £3 billion per year
Back in 1973, there were very few British pensioners in the EU. Now there are over 450,000. [see Reference 2 at end]
The expenditure on their pensions is considerable! About £3 thousand million pounds - i.e £3 billion per year
ANOTHER UNEASY THOUGHT OR TWO!
· [to clarify - in view of a comment received - this section on residence is updated 17tyh July 2013]
RESIDENCE --Before the EU, you could not reside in France nor perhaps in any continental country unless you could
demonstrate that you had enough funds to not be a burden on the State.
Most often you would have to demonstrate that you had health insurance. NEW would-be residents coming from the UK could find the difficulties too great.
Most often you would have to demonstrate that you had health insurance. NEW would-be residents coming from the UK could find the difficulties too great.
·
EXISTING British
Residents would have the status of full foreigners.
They would need Residence cards, and possibly or probably other financial/tax
restrictions, getting jobs, social support, training ?…..
· If Britain left the EU, pensioners would lose State
health cover.
· Young entrepreneurs would probably not get
support/guidance from the State of Residence, to set up a business.
AND
REMEMBER
All those hundreds of thousands of French, Italians, German (and the rest of EU citizens) enhancing the economy of Britain will be worried about their future if Britain pulls out of the EU, They also will have no voice in this matter.
All those hundreds of thousands of French, Italians, German (and the rest of EU citizens) enhancing the economy of Britain will be worried about their future if Britain pulls out of the EU, They also will have no voice in this matter.
WHAT YOU – WE – THEY? – can do.
DEMAND A VOICE - The Britons Abroad must be heard - listened to! The decision affects us more than anyone else. And are Britons far away from Europe not affected?
They may desire to return to Britain one day!
This matter is wider than the VOTE. Many of course will not have a vote in any Referendum. Many have not registered to vote – many can’t (including the author).
But the politicians must listen – so tell them!
The bill was
introduced by Mr. James Wharton, the Conservative MP for Stockton South, as a
private members Bill.james.wharton.mp@parliament.uk
In the debate (5th July)
[Reference 1 at end] only one MP, Martin Horwood, MP for
Cheltenham drew attention to this enormous issue
of the Britons Abroad in the EU. martin.horwood.mp@parliament.uk
Be prepared to lobby your
MP – Here is the list http://www.parliament.uk/mps-lords-and-offices/mps/
Find the MP for the place where
you last lived in the UK
– claim your right to contact that MP on that basis.
Contact any peer through the
following address – Indicate to whom your message should go. contactholmember@parliament.uk
Baroness Shirley Williams said
something on this matter on the BBC
radio (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b036kxth)
– unfortunately unavailable via a non-UK server, but interesting if you can
hear it.
Baroness Williams is a
politician of great influence. Her
opinion is, if Britain
leaves the EU, Britain
will decline into a country of little significance. Its future lies in being an important State
within Europe.
Britain
should be among the leaders of Europe.
If Britain
pulls out of the EU many Britons abroad in the EU may be so discomforted that
they may be forced to return to Britain.
What would happen if say 500,000 Brits of the 1.4 million now residing in the
EU beyond the UK, decided to return to the UK at the same time; e.g to the
Housing Market?; Social Care for the elderly?
REFERENCES
1. The Hansard reference to the
Referendum Bill debate is below – Mr. Horwood’s words are 7 paragraphs beyond
the entry ‘column 1227’, just after Mr. Redwood asks Mr. Horwood to give way.
Hansard.
2. A graphical representation of
the Emigration of British Pensioners to most countries of Europe,
and comments on such emigration to the rest of the world – all with numbers can
be read here.
Remember:-
It is unacceptable and undemocratic that a decision to pull out of the EU could
be envisaged without listening to those most intimately affected.
Distribute this to your friends and ask
them to demand that their MPs also listen.
view campaign www.votes-for-expat-brits.com
I do question some of your statements. Once you have been permanently resident in an EU country for more than 5 years you are then not liable for expulsion unless you commit a serious crime. The changes that this stupid governement would like to bring in regarding the EU would also affect those living in the UK from EU countries. I imagine therefore that some sort of deal would have to be struck.
ReplyDeleteI think that if you fuflfil the residency requirements of 5 years then the state in which you live would have to take you on.
You take my thoughts too far. The idea of 'expulsion' has not been raised by me. The conditions of residency would relate to new residents of any nationality. Britons would be as foreign in Europe as
DeleteAustralians or Canadians. Support for them would not come from the State of residence. There could well be difficulties of income coming from the UK, health support, getting jobs, training. Do not imagine that one would be safe as a 'stranger' national from any such niggles. If your became destitute would France etc support you?
(N.B. this is not a forum - few comments are published - I would appreciate your understanding.)